optimist22 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Posted April 11, 2016 It is a Victorian building converted in the 1970s to 11 Flats. There is one fire exit route. We have a fire alarm and sounders. These can't be heard in individual flats (not much use !) Are we legally required to have a system that is audible ? Does the fact that we have a system which does not alert individual flat owners affected responsibilities ? The building is managed by Residents Management Company. Quote
AnthonyB Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 If you can't hear it there is no point in having it. If the construction is such that the fire resistance for a 'stay put' policy (only the flat on fire has to evacuate) is not present and/or the associated smoke control provisions are also missing then a simultaneous evacuation policy is required necessitating at least a heat detector and sounder off the common system in each flat's internal lobby in order to: - Detect a fire in a flat where the occupiers are not in (or are dead!) before it breaches the limited compartmentation and affects other flats and the common escape - Provide 80dB at the bedroom door in each flat so as to be able to wake sleeping occupiers so they can evacuate before being trapped Life safety for the flat where the fire occurs is provided by separate domestic smoke alarms (so that inevitable cooking false alarms don't disturb the whole block) If your conversion provided the same fire resistance as if it was purpose built then you don't need a common fire alarm at all. You only need common detection (no sounders or call points) in this case if there are automatic smoke vents to the common stairs and lobbies. You need a decent Fire Risk Assessment to determine which way your property needs to go. Quote
optimist22 Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Posted April 13, 2016 Thanks Anthony that is a very helpful post. I appreciate people like yourself who take the time and trouble to provide such informative replies. Quote
AnthonyB Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 Glad to help - if you ever needed external assistance with an FRA remember me! Quote
Tom Sutton Posted April 14, 2016 Report Posted April 14, 2016 Further to what AB has said, yes Residents Management Company does have a legal responsibility, to fit a fire alarm if necessary and it must be fit for purpose. The guidance for installing a fire alarm is BS 5839 part 6 which includes a section on audibility and if it cannot be heard by all relevant persons, it is as useful as a concrete parachute. Quote
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