Ian Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hi all, I'm looking at installing emergency lighting (maintained) in a small residential block of flats (9 flats across 3 floors). One fitting per landing + one fitting per stairway set (5 lights in all) Question...do I need to fit dedicated test/key switches to each EL unit (or in banks) or can I get away with using the single switch fuse (located in the services cupboard) to facilitate testing. Appreciate the advice. Many thanks Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted October 13, 2014 Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 The BS states that each emergency lighting system should have a suitable means for simulating failure of the normal supply for test purposes and that is all. So the location of test switches is entirely up to you, depending on your test procedure. To test the emergency exit lights you need to operate the test switch then walk around all the lights and check them to ensure that are operating correctly in the emergency mode, then return to the test switch and, switch back on, then walk around all the lights and check them again to ensure that are operating correctly in normal mode. During this period the light levels will be a lower level of illumination when in emergency mode and depending how long it would take you to walk the emergency lights would it be safe for the relevant persons occupying the building? Also if the building has sub circuits then each sub circuit has to be tested separately because if a sub circuit fails then that area needs to be illuminated by the emergency lighting. So without knowing further information it is not possible to suggest where test switches should be located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2014 Hi Tom, Many thanks for getting back. So...all you require to be BS compliant is a "standard method of isolating the supply to each fitting (to simulate or induce a power fail)" which ideally would probably be a key-switch located next to the normal light switch feeding every maintained EL, ...or in my case, it could be the switch fuse feeding the lighting circuit. Both perform the task of dropping the supply and testing the EL. As always Legislation / BS are open to interpretation, never a definitive answer! Thanks again Tom, much appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Absolutely Ian, you cannot usually give definitive answers, only be general, because there is so many different situations you have to consider. Such as how many circuits, feeding the EL's, is there sufficient daylight illuminating the escape routes during the daytime, when the occupants can use the common areas in safety, to enable you to leave the the system in emergency mode while you complete the test and there are others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AdamPom Posted December 10, 2014 Report Share Posted December 10, 2014 I was just wondering wether or not on new emergency light installations wether or not a keyswitch has to be installed by every new emergency light???? Please can you help or advise me where I can get this information from as one of my engineers says that you do and I just wanted to double check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The British Standard states every emergency lighting system should have means of simulating a failure of the the normal supply for test purposes, with out interruption of the normal supply, this is all you get and interpret as you choose. So I would suggest the location of test switches is entirely up to you, depending on your test procedure. To test the emergency exit lights you need to operate the test switch then walk around all the lights and check them to ensure that are operating correctly in the emergency mode, then return to the test switch and, switch back on, then walk around all the lights and check them again to ensure that are operating correctly in normal mode. During this period the light levels will be a lower level of illumination when in emergency mode and depending how long it would take you to walk the emergency lights would it be safe for the relevant persons occupying the building? Also if the building has sub circuits then each sub circuit has to be tested separately because if a sub circuit fails then that area needs to be illuminated by the emergency lighting. So without knowing further information it is not possible to suggest where test switches should be located. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safelincs Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The common alternative to key switches is to simply flick off the relevant lighting fuses, which switches off not only the power supply to emergency lights but also ordinary lighting. This means that you can only carry out the test after working hours, as the remaining light levels will be too low for work purposes. With a key switch on the other hand you are only cutting the power to your emergency lights without affecting your normal lighting. So the test can be carried out during working hours (some safety critical areas might require a different routine!). Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BobLoud Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Hi I have an electrician telling me I have to have a key switch to turn off and test an emergency light, and your page on emergency lighting indicates, that if it is not possible for decor reasons, or as we already have a single trip switch on a panel that only switches the light in question,and is a locked cupboard, your page suggests I don't need key switches, the electrcian says if we don't have the key switch we won't conform to BS 5266. Not sure you can resolve this for me but any help would be appreciated. Thanks Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 The electrician is correct you do need a test switch to test the system, BS 5266 says, 8.3.3. Test facility Each emergency lighting system should have suitable -means for simulating failure of the normal supply for test purposes (i.e. without interruption of the normal supply) NOTE. An automatic test system for battery powered emergency lighting is specified in BS EN 62034. Which means you could have one or a number of switches to test the system depending on the number of sub circuits you have. The single trip switch in a fuse box would switch off all the mains supply to all your emergency lights, however, because you have to switch off the mains supply to a number or one luminaire for up to 3 hours to test the system would this not interfere with your normal lighting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I live in a council block. The councils my landlord and we have an ALMO Ground , Middle and top. So we had a complete power outage in flats, common areas in building and outside i.e. lamp-posts. We do not have emergency lighting and my ALMO and council will not answer as to whether there should be. Should there be and what can I do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 The Arm’s-length management organisation or the local council will be designated the Responsible Person (RP) and are required under the Fire safety Order to conduct a Fire Risk Assessment (FRA) in the common areas but are not required to share it with the tenants. The FRA is based on risk assessment so what are the chances are for the premises to be involved in fire at the same time of a power cut depriving you of supply to the whole area. However if you are concerned the enforcing authority is the local Fire and Rescue Service (FRS) and you should contact them. http://www.firesafe.org.uk/uk-fire-rescue-services-details/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyB Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 How many floors are there? Current fire safety guidance for existing purpose built flats asks for the retrofitting of emergency lighting to all but the smallest blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 I stand corrected, thanks AB, you should check out "Fire safety guidance for existing purpose built flats" at http://www.local.gov.uk/web/guest/publications/-/journal_content/56/10180/3369777/PUBLICATION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dean Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 This forum has provided invaluable information while designing a new fire safety system for the block of flats I partly own, thank you for all of your contributions to date! My local electrician is suggesting the installation of a new single circuit to power all emergency lighting units within the communal area of my flats. The new single circuit would allow the testing of mains power failure to all units via a single key switch. However, we live in a listed property where all works like these must be approved by the local council. To simplify the system (and therefore our application to the council) I have opted for the use of self test lighting hardware. Without providing all of the detail, this system would allow us to use existing power supplies without having to install a new circuit (which would require more intrusive works to be undertaken on the building). My question is this: When using self testing hardware (with each light running on a separate circuit) do I still need to be able manually switch off the power to each unit independently or can I rely solely on the self test feature to comply with BS 5266? Thanks in advance for your help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted October 9, 2015 Report Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yes, the key switch is to allow for manual testing and self testing luminaires are automatic therefore you do not require key switches. But you must record your tests six monthly and annually to comply with BS 5266. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Surya Bedi Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 Dear All I believe the purpose of the emergency switch is not to simulate the emergency test. But only to simulate the emergency operation while the switch is pressed. The walk around test is to check the duration for which emergency lights remain on, which is either done by a flicking off the emergency circuit manually or via a monitored system. The switch is only meant to temporarily disable normal power supply for a quick check of the operation of the luminaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green-foam Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 You believe wrong, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyB Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 The test switch is a safe way to cause a permanent mains failure to the emergency fittings for both the monthly function test and annual duration test. Many older existing installations don't have them, but newer/new ones should if complying with BS5266 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GmK Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 Morning, Could anyone explain what i would need to have done to conform, I have a building with 1 key switch in the reception for the Em fitting Test the rest of the Em fittings in the Building are a self maintained type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green-foam Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 16/08/2023 at 10:50, Guest GmK said: the rest of the Em fittings in the Building are a self maintained type There are generally two types of emergency light. Maintained is an EM light that is illuminated at all times, and if there is a power failure it will stay illuminated as it has a battery back up that will last for a minimum of 3 hours. Non maintained are EM lights that only illuminate in the event of a power failure, and will last for a minimum of 3 hours I wonder are you thinking of self testing EM lights? Self testing EM lights "do as it says on the tin" they carry out all the required tests without help, they only have timer software, so that means they will carry out all required tests over 12 months but you can not determine when as they have no calender software. Self testing EM lights also have multiple coloured LEDs and a "beeper" and problems or potential problems are indicated by the sequence / colour of the LED's and beeper. The colours/flashes vary according to each manufacturer. In general, after installation and power up the software starts, 24 hours later the light will carry out a 3 hour duration test, after that it will change to a 30 second test (To establish if the light will illuminate on battery power) once a month, it will start the whole sequence from the beginning 12 months later, as said previously, if any problem is detected then a LED / beeper / sequence will initiate. As the lights are independent it would be wise to simply look at the indicator LED on each light once a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyB Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 On 16/08/2023 at 10:50, Guest GmK said: Morning, Could anyone explain what i would need to have done to conform, I have a building with 1 key switch in the reception for the Em fitting Test the rest of the Em fittings in the Building are a self maintained type. Technically one central test switch meets the relevant standard (BS5266-1) as all it says is: "8.3.3 Test facility Each emergency lighting system should have an appropriate means for simulating failure of the normal supply for test purposes (e.g. manual isolatingbdevice or automatic testing). The test facility should be able to be used for both monthly short tests and annual full duration tests. The test facility should be protected from unauthorized operation. The test device should not interrupt power to any other electrical equipment that could cause a hazard." However for convenience and to avoid the monthly function test duration going on too long (with consequential longer recharge times and greater risk of battery damage) it's common in better installations to have multiple test points, sometimes one for each floor, sometimes one for each room & section of corridor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dawsie Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 Hi all, When fitting a emergency light test switch does it matter if you fit it in the live to the lights or the live to the emergency lights i:e when the test switch is operated the ceiling lights go out and the emergency lights come on or when the test switch is operated the ceiling lights stay on and the emergency lights come on. Many thanks Dawsie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green-foam Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 You only need to establish "Do the emergency lights come on in a power failure" (Which as you said is done by operating the EL test switch) you do not need to turn "normal" lights off plunging the place into potential darkness unnecessarily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyB Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 23 hours ago, Guest Dawsie said: Hi all, When fitting a emergency light test switch does it matter if you fit it in the live to the lights or the live to the emergency lights i:e when the test switch is operated the ceiling lights go out and the emergency lights come on or when the test switch is operated the ceiling lights stay on and the emergency lights come on. Many thanks Dawsie You will see both configurations. The preference is not to cut normal lights that aren't combined EL units and in combined multi tube fittings only cut power to the tube with the battery pack, but it's not the end of the world if it's the more simple whole circuit cut as in most (but not all) situations it's just a quick disruption not a hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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