FacilitiesNAE Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 We recently had fire safety remedial work carried out on an internal protected stairwell, which included replacing combustible push-open access doors with lockable fire doors, which open onto the stairwell and contain evac chairs on 2 levels (there are 5 levels in total including a basement). The doors only stay fully closed by being locked, with a FB key. The stairwell is now signed off by the contractors as 60 minute fire rating. I would like to keep the evac chairs in these 'access cupboards' without building another storage unit as recommended on our recent FRA - our stairwell is limited for space but we can't keep emergency chairs in locked storage for obvious reasons. If the doors are remediated with fast shutting door closer units, and I attach a small pull handle to open the doors, will the stairwell still be fire safety compliant so I can continue to use them for the evac chairs? Link to images (I can't seem to upload) is here: fire doors Thanks in advance. Quote
AnthonyB Posted February 1, 2023 Report Posted February 1, 2023 Leave unlocked and fit an EN 1154 such as https://www.safelincs.co.uk/geze-2000-overhead-door-closer/ Quote
FacilitiesNAE Posted February 3, 2023 Author Report Posted February 3, 2023 Hi Anthony, Thank you, that's useful - Additionally, is there a need to install a catch on the door? As I mentioned there is only an FB mortice lock installed currently. Many thanks. Quote
AnthonyB Posted February 6, 2023 Report Posted February 6, 2023 Self closing doors don't always have catches, a well adjusted closer can sometimes hold the door enough not to warrant one. The forums fire door expert should hopefully give you a detailed answer next time they log on Quote
Neil Ashdown MAFDI Posted February 7, 2023 Report Posted February 7, 2023 Based on the use of the self-closer above and assuming that the fire door leaf has evidence of fire performance in an unlatched configuration, the door could be unlatched. Correct installation of the self-closing device is key to performance for 'hold-shut' as well as self-closing performance. Quote
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