Tom Sutton Posted December 1, 2018 Report Share Posted December 1, 2018 If it is just wood and no upholstery then the base is not subject to any regulations, if it is upholstered then I would recommended meets Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the contract and non-domestic sectors, but in both cases the mattresses should meet Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the contract and non-domestic sectors. This because your premises is subject to The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leeds Pete Posted March 12, 2019 Report Share Posted March 12, 2019 Hi Guys I have a restaurant in Broadstairs & my landlord is insistant that the decking area (12ft square) be painted/sprayed with a fireproof paint/varnish .......... there is no upholstery, just decking boards. Is this a legal requirement??? Guidance would be very much appreciated Regards Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 The only reason I could think of or treating the decking would be to reduce the flame of spread and I cannot think why it would be necessary. Ask the landlord, can you see the fire risk assessment, which may give some reason. Another point to consider is why the landlord is getting involved in fire safety as he/she is not the Responsible Person (RP) under The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 but you as the employer. Being the RP you are required to conduct a fire risk assessment (FRA) under the RR(FS)O and this situation would be included in the FRA. The other thing to consider is any agreements between you and the landlord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emilie Posted June 4, 2019 Report Share Posted June 4, 2019 Hi Tom, My employer is moving business his premises this year and wants to make bespoke desks for staff which would be made from wood. Does the wood need to have any flame retardant properties as it is being used for commercial use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 The concern is any furniture or furnishing initiating fire and it is unlikely that an untreated timber desk is likely to initiate a fire or provide fuel in the early stages of a fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Residential Care Home Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Hi My mother in law has move into a care home. We want to provide a wooden chair (not upholstered) and book shelves in her room. We have been refused as they don't have a fire safety label or mark underside. I understand from previous posts that they are not correct and that the regulations do not apply to second hand wooden furniture however I cannot point them to a regulation that says this. Is there anything on paper that would helpe Many thanks Hugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 The Furniture and Furnishings (Fire Safety) Regulations 1988 (as amended in 1989, 1993 and 2010) set levels of fire resistance for domestic upholstered furniture, furnishings and other products containing upholstery and as you see it only applies to furniture, furnishings and other products containing upholstery. Check out https://www.firesafe.org.uk/furniture-and-furnishings-fire-safety-regulations-19881989-and-1993/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cameron cashley Posted October 21, 2019 Report Share Posted October 21, 2019 hi is there any regulations that apply to surface finishes on wood or any that apply to the wood itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 As far as I am aware there is no regulations that apply to wood or its coatings, but good practice, would be limit the number of coats, more than four could present a surface spread of flame risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cameron cashley Posted October 23, 2019 Report Share Posted October 23, 2019 cheers for the help big yin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emma Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 Hi Tom, We have recently made storage units and screens for a school. We have used ce certified softwood ply, which is suitable for furniture manufacture. Is there a fire safety standard that requires these items to be painted with fire retardant treatment? I cannot find anything which relates to wooden furniture. Your previous responses imply we wouldn't;t need to. Please could you confirm? Thanks. Emma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted February 14, 2020 Report Share Posted February 14, 2020 First Emma don,t address your submission to me but to the forum I am just one of many who can answer them. It all depends what you mean by storage units and screens I would imagine they cannot be described as furniture and dependant on its purpose it could need to be fire resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Emma Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Apologies. Thanks for your reply. We built x5 sets of 'storage cubbies' or shelving units (like the IKEA grids for storage) all made of CE rated, furniture grade softwood ply. Each 'cubby' measures 30cm x 30cm x 30cm. There are 3 sets of shelves which are 4 cubbies long and 3 cubbies high (90cm x 120cm) and 2 sets are much larger, 6 cubbies long and 6 cubbies high (180cm x 180cm). These 2 larger sets stick out into the room, but for safety are attached to the wall on their depth measurement (30cm) Does anyone know if these items would be classed as furniture, or where I can check online to confirm exactly what they would be classed as, and whether they need to be painted with fire retardant treatment? They are for use in a school. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 It doesn't matter what they are called they are not subject to any legislation but they may need to meet the spread of flame standard depending on where they are located, also how they are decorated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Milly Posted March 30, 2020 Report Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hello there, I am emailing from a set design and furniture making business looking to clarify fire safety requirements for wooden furniture and set builds for domestic and commercial settings. From what I can take from this forum sheet material such as birch ply, MDF etc. doesn't by law have to be fire retardant for use in peoples homes? Assuming this is still the case as some things dated a couple of years back, Is there a piece of documentation that explicitly says this we can refer to? I have found lots on upholstery but nowhere that says explicitly anything about wood, wood is just totally omitted which makes it feel unclear, Also in terms of commercial or public spaces like for example a university or school, art gallery or concert hall - are there any documents you would recommend to refer to for guidance on flame retardant requirements for wood in these premises? Do they never need to be fire retardant/ is there a regulations document to refer to or do these requirements change depending on risk assessments for particular projects/events? Any help or advice you may have would be gratefully received! Thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 I am not aware of any requirement for fire treated timber or guidance on fire treated timber in domestic situations, look at the amount of untreated timber in its construction. In commercial premises it is a different matter, all surfaces need to have a spread of flame classification depending where it is located, class O in circulation and escape routes, class 1 in large rooms and class 2 in other areas, check out Offices and shops page 120, however not all fire risk assessor require free standing items to meet this requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chris Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 Hello Please i will appreciate a clarification on this. We have a supplier to supply a set of dinning chairs and he has given us this information below that this chairs are non uphostered and will not require any fire labelling; this will be for a Medium Hazard Premises( Sheltered Housing Scheme), i have looked around to see whether there is any guidance or legislation for non uphostered furniture & plastics, i can't seem to see any. Can this sort of furniture with discription below be allowed in such care & support schemes. Lisbon armchair anthracite Description: *Stackable *Fibreglass reinforced polypropylene *UV protection Specification: *Colour Options: Grey *Material Specifications: PLASTICProduct Provenance: GBR *Features / Benefits: Stackable *Fibreglass reinforced polypropylene *UV protection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 Check out https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/write/MediaUploads/NFCC Guidance publications/NFCC_Specialised_Housing_Guidance_-_Copy.pdf you may find some help there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kevin Posted November 1, 2020 Report Share Posted November 1, 2020 Hi Our client, a nursing/care home has asked us to spray paint some beds (wooden beech frame, currently unmodifed out of the box). Is this allowed and would it effect the beds fire rating or warranty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 The is no fire rating or warranty on a timber bed unless it is upholstered, however the mattress does have a fire rating which is medium risk, check out Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the contract and non-domestic sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kevin Posted November 2, 2020 Report Share Posted November 2, 2020 Thanks. Would any consideration need to be given from a fire safety stance in choosing paints etc given this is a care home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 No the only consideration I am aware of is the number of coats on a fire door should be limited to four according to BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kevin Posted November 3, 2020 Report Share Posted November 3, 2020 Thanks. One last question; in order to spray paint the bed with a spray gun the paint will need to be thinned using a cellulose thinners. Would this be an issue from fire safety stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sutton Posted November 4, 2020 Report Share Posted November 4, 2020 Providing the bed is not in the room when it is sprayed and allow to dry it will be acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Hardy Posted March 12, 2021 Report Share Posted March 12, 2021 On 02/11/2020 at 14:01, Tom Sutton said: The is no fire rating or warranty on a timber bed with best rv mattress short queen unless it is upholstered, however the mattress does have a fire rating which is medium risk, check out Fire safety of furniture and furnishings in the contract and non-domestic sector. I have checked these fire safety about furniture and tips for mattress, But don't you think that there should be a warranty on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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