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  1. Are they competent to an evidence provable standard that would be upheld in a court of law and able to carry out the work using the correct materials in the correct manner so they would perform as designed? If so then, yes. Whilst using Third Party Accredited specialist contractors is always the preferred choice it isn't (yet) law. A middle ground that some places use is that they carry out the work themselves then have the TPC contractor inspect and sign off the work which still works out more cost effective than just handing the whole job over.
  2. Simple answer - yes.
  3. Ideally not for health & safety purposes, but with some of the older building stock in the UK it can be unavoidable. Of course 'road' can be anything from a low traffic volume side street to a major arterial route - a risk assessment would be needed to balance the issues of escape v live highway risks
  4. It's simple - once you are out you are out. Any plan to sweep the premises should ensure that it is done as part of initial response and evacuation. Once someone is outside the building and at a place of ultimate safety it would almost certainly be considered a risk to relevant persons to make them re-enter. In theory, with an addressable fire alarm system, knowing the exact location of the incident you could argue that you could ensure you were avoiding the risk area, but I've never heard of this, plus without radio communications and someone monitoring the progress of the incident on the control panel you wouldn't know if it (or more importantly smoke/combustion products) was spreading your way If you are in a unionised workplace then it's certainly one for your union H&S rep.
  5. Without seeing the premises I cannot give a definitive opinion. Depending on the age of the flats the doors may be notional fire doors, that is to say doors that are of a solid construction, ironmongery & framing that would have met fire doors standards of the time (for example smoke seals and intumescent strips didn't exist until the 1980's, fire doors used a close fit into a rebated frame instead) and in a small block these can be accepted under current guidance as long as self closers are fitted. Also it sounds like you have a premises with a site wide fire detection & alarm system of the coverage needed as part of a full evacuate policy as oppose to stay put. And thirdly you have an independent secondary escape. Taking all these into account it would not be considered essential for modern specification fire doors to be fitted (but desirable as even if everyone can escape in time in the current set up there is a risk of greater smoke and fire spread and consequent damage)
  6. This is the ACOP to the regulations which should help you assess the set up, usually an enclosure is vented if used. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pUbns/priced/l56.pdf
  7. Most seem to avoid this issue by not accepting items unless they are in good condition & fire labelled.
  8. It's not your responsibility. The Fire Service enforce the regulations. Don't go into that much detail in advice or you could be liable - domestic smoke alarms are not usually suitable for commercial environments, just remind them of their obligations and point them to this guidance: https://www.gov.uk/workplace-fire-safety-your-responsibilities
  9. Do you mean drawings marked with fire protection equipment & exits marked on? Whilst there are several professional providers who do an excellent job as long as the plans are accurate and correct anyone can. I usually use a professional provider because they are good at CAD & quick, but for small jobs I've created my own.
  10. Are you sure it's really a heat detector? Post a photo of it (the forum has the facility to do this) so we can check. I've only once had a premises where heat detection triggered in a domestic kitchen where it was located so that when the oven was opened it got a full on blast of heated air, which because it was a 'rate of rise' detector it alarmed (this type reacts to any rapid change in temperature). As the kitchen layout precluded moving the detector we switched it for a fixed temperature heat detector that ignores the rate of rise of temperature and only reacts to a fixed level
  11. It would have been likely to have needed some old style fire doors as far back as 1963 and the Offices, Shops & Railway Premises Act, but if it fell under the occupancy numbers needed to require a Means of Escape certificate it is unlikely to have been inspected, with a similar situation when the Fire Precautions Act came in. Over the years I've been to a myriad of small old building offices that have been like stepping back 50 years in time because despite them having a legal duty to comply they escaped inspection meaning they have had to play catch up under the Fire Safety Order and implement what seems like a lot of work but simply reflects what always should have been.
  12. AFD cannot completely replace passive fire protection including fire doors. In the environment you describe if the doors met the standard of the time and are still in good order, coupled with the other fire protection enhancements, then there may be an argument not to modernise, but you will still need fire doors of some description
  13. The bare minimum for active records I advise is the year you are working through and the whole of the previous years entries as most PPM are at least annual (e.g. annual emergency lighting, annual lightning protection, etc). There are of course certain tests that would need to be kept longer due to their interval (e.g. 5 yearly EICR) but for most routine records the 24 month cycle would cover it, although you may wish to keep archived records for longer before disposal say for 5-7 years
  14. To be fair to give you a correct answer I'd need to carry out your Fire Risk Assessment - it's quite possible that you can let out your building in a compliant matter with the right precautions based on the existing stair layout, but I'd want to see it to advise correctly as there are a variety of aspects that need checking.
  15. Who was the manufacturer? Worth knowing in case there's other poor stuff out there.
  16. Is that the new door & hinges? Looks completely useless to me with the gaps, lack of seals and weird hinges. Did they fit a self closer?
  17. A usual rule of thumb is if the route is used by 60 or more it needs to be panic proof (push bars) otherwise any normal emergency exit device (which includes lever handles as well as push pads) will suffice
  18. AnthonyB

    Mrs

    What were the faults? Some are easier to check they are resolved than others. A decent fire alarm engineer would issue a detailed report on the worksheet even for reactive repairs, this is why specialists should be used for life safety system works
  19. That's a KAC Word Series call point, at one point most call points in the UK were this brand and is very readily tested - see this guide: https://www.kac.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/kac-callpoint-test.pdf If you don't have any keys look here: https://www.safelincs.co.uk/kac-manual-call-point-test-key/?q=test+key
  20. The nature of the alarm system will compensate as long as escape routes and areas of high risk are protected by compartmentation there is no need for 60 minute party walls between tenants in offices buildings, you normally see (or look for) the 60 minutes where you see it split into industrial units.
  21. Please attach a photo & I can help you out
  22. Sounds like your contractor has bodged the lot and doesn't have a copy of the relevant standards. Firstly your EL should be fitted to the normal lighting circuit not it's own and door entry shouldn't be off lighting (often it's own supply with a back up battery). Also in addition to BS5266 for the lighting your contractor should have a copy of BS7273-4 for the access control if it's fitted on doors used for escape.....thats a whole other set of requirements missed..........
  23. It's all wrong. EL fittings are meant to be on the same circuits as the normal lights, otherwise they won't come on unless you get a complete power outage (local circuit failure is common). If your contractor knew what BS5266 (the standard any professional who installs and maintains EL should have and know) said they'd have done it correctly which questions their competence
  24. AnthonyB

    Mr

    Yes to a detector as the required Category of fire alarm (L2) in this type of premises includes rooms opening onto escape routes and rooms of high fire risk so it falls in under both those. A sounder would be needed if the audibility levels in the room from the nearest existing sounder are not adequate.
  25. Usually the landlord before occupancy if vacant, then the tenant whilst they hold the lease unless you have agreed in the lease to do it for them
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