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Potentially not - depending on the layout of the block and the status of the existing door - is it a fire door to the standard of the time and is it in good order. The official government guidance for existing blocks (& the draft for the new guidance) allows a risk based approach to fire doors such that in certain circumstances original doors may be retained or upgraded. The new guidance, if followed, will have special status under the Fire Safety Act amendments to legislation in England & Wales meaning that if followed it will tend to establish that there was no contravention of legislation meaning that it would be unlikely to be prosecutable except in extreme circumstances. Without seeing the block and the doors (essentially doing an FRA) it's impossible to give a definitive answer, but it's not an automatic 'must replace'
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No, if the door, wall and associated glazing and partitions are required to be fire rated then all should be, not just some.
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Detector manufacturers actually have varying ages for warranties on detectors, some far more than 10 years. A BRE study indicated that maximum lifespans shouldn't generally exceed 25 years for most devices which is a fair amount of time. The BS doesn't give a lifespan so as not to be used as a salesman's charter for replacing perfectly functional components.
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I doubt it will ever have the occupancy to require a panic fastening and as a normal entry/exit point your original thoughts would often be deemed OK
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Is there no pavement? Is it public or private land? Are there any road and kerb marking indicating any parking restriction? This will help us give you suggestions.
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Yes, or it could prematurely fail just like the door glazing would without.
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Your FRA has determined that your conversion requires a full evacuate strategy and this will require a system of mains powered smoke and heat alarms that are linked together, not single station. If you go to here: https://www.safelincs.co.uk/radio-interlinked-smoke-alarms/ and select the Grade D2 filter in the filter options on the left you will see the range of units that are suitable. Radio link is simplest, otherwise all the alarms have to be cable linked. Non interlinked or Grade F devices will not be suitable.
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If it was a large hotel that doesn't sound appropriate even as a temporary measure, particularly giving out lots of candles! I strongly suggest that as a matter of urgency you contact the Business Fire Safety department of the Fire & Rescue Service that covers where the hotel was.
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Office buildings, fire rated ceilings, service risers
AnthonyB replied to Bolt's topic in Fire Prevention
Assuming you are in England or Wales you need to look in here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-approved-document-b Scotland: https://www.gov.scot/publications/building-standards-technical-handbook-2020-non-domestic/ Service risers usually need to be protected shafts for example -
Are they wired into the Tunstall or wireless linked? Usually you either see Grade D1 third party equipment with a relay base to the system or Tunstall's own Grade F1 wireless detectors (if a newer set up) Could be grade C depending if there is basic fault monitoring. Difficult to say to be honest without looking
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If it's conscious sedation which is usually the main procedure that is carried out by dentists that requires more than local anaesthetic and the nearest you would get to unconscious outside an operating theatre they will not be asleep (other than possibly very brief periods) but would some need assistance in evacuation as they will be drowsy and relaxed with a lower blood pressure (that could lead to fainting if got up too quickly).Technically speaking they aren't asleep in bed, but additional protection may be needed as either PHE or delayed evacuation may be appropriate. Many practices have stopped doing CS and those that do usually have a dedicated room for it due to the extra equipment and space required - this also limits the need for extra sub compartment provision to one room/section of the practice.
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Does the restaurant have any doors opening into the residential common stair? If not and the restaurant does have full 60 minutes separation it need not be linked (which is prefered as these premises often have either false alarms or partly/wholly disabled systems!)
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fire extinguisher for medium sized restaurant dinig room/ kirhen, etc
AnthonyB replied to a topic in Fire Extinguishers
From your questions it's clear that you have not had a fire risk assessment carried out by a competent person, something you must do by law. This would answer every question. You won't need hose reels. You will need extinguishers - the size and type will be based on: - Floor area in square metres of your premises - Exposed surface area of the biggest fryers - Any areas of special electrical risk. This information would help decide how many water/CO2/wet chemical (or just water mist for simplicity)you need. Everything but the tiniest restaurant would need as a minimum a manual fire alarm system of manual call points, sounders and control panel - depending on layout and size automatic detection would be required too. Don't forget the emergency lighting and maintained internally illuminated exit signs too! -
what fire safety does a sandwich takeaway need?
AnthonyB replied to a topic in Fire Risk Assessments
22m means you should really have a back door! It's too far for a single exit under current guidance - however the draft of new guidance for small premises looks like it will increase the maximum distance to 25m so I wouldn't worry too much. A single exit is still a maximum of 60. Your floor area matters too - for every 1 sq.m. of dining area you can have 1 person, for every 0.7 sq.m. of queuing space you can have 1 person - in a small premises this may limit you to less than the 60 your exit allows. -
As each cluster and other common areas are usually under the control of the same client I do it as one - never had any problems. If a whole cluster is under different ownership (rather than the leasehold of individual bedrooms which is a common model, all shared space retained by the freeholder) then it would be different.
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If the flats are separated from the retail then I would be looking to see if the system was needed at all. Purpose built flats only normally need communal detection to operate smoke control measures and need no sounders or call points. If there is a defect that cannot be realistically be remedied that requires a full evacuation policy is required you would also need a Part 1 system but with the required extra detection coverage in flat hallways, common area call points and sounders to flat hallways and common parts. If it was a flat conversion not compliant to Building Regs (often pre 1991 and a s257 HMO) then you would have a Grade A system to the common parts which also should have call points to each landing, but some licensing councils accept a single one at the exit in smaller blocks.
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To be fair BS9999 was primarily for new building design as an alternative to ADB (& devolved equivalents) and there were too many people cherry picking the 'best bits' out without the premises complying to all aspects of the standard when using it on existing premises (I know the author and he confirms my interpretation) so I can understand their reticence. However if you are doing a full strip to shell & redevelopment that's virtually the same as building then there is more chance of implementing BS9999 in full and thus it should really be accepted.
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One of these days I'll have to start invoicing you! ??? Glad to help.
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There are a lot of factors (including why is the alarm there in the first place). If the system is installed under Part 1 of BS5839 for simultaneous evacuation then the expectation would be for call points to each floor (Part 6 has more leeway) however there may have been an agreed variation in the design accepting the one MCP
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I've come across this before - are sprinklers installed (every PRU or similar I've assessed has been)? Are the correct legal Deprivation of Liberty arrangements in place to allow additional security measures? Is there automatic detection everywhere? In these situations it's usually allowed to have less of the escape failsafe's than a standard school.
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Overlay with polycarbonate sheeting (as used in riot shields). As long as it doesn't affect the integrity or insulation of the door then any surface spread of flame only risk should be OK (& the right polycarbonate isn't readily ignited anyway as riot shields get firebombed)
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It's been a staple of guidance from back in FP Act days and ADB Table B4 still has a 60 minute requirement for basements (going up to 90 minutes where you go deeper than 10m) and the top & bottom door thing has been around for similar years. As the guidance dates back to the late 20th century it dates from when fire alarm systems were generally manual with limited detection (& even then mostly heat until the 70's) so it's not unsurprising that detection can be used to justify deviation (but I'd expect the whole basement as you aren't just deviating on the door, plus the lobby approach is a form of smoke control that a detector can't compensate for and also you are having a lower FR for the whole ceiling). A few years ago I dealt with a mill that had unprotected gappy wooden floors that in theory should have been 30 minute and imperforate to smoke on the upper floors and 60 to the basement - this would have been financially impossible as it would have required tenants relocating, false ceilings removed, services re routed and effectively site redevelopment. The sprinklers were too neglected to use, so I proposed a new L1 system (benchmark would be M) as the alarm was non compliant & ancient anyway and upgrading the protection to the internal & external escapes as TDs weren't too bad and it was an awake occupancy familiar with the building. An Enforcement Notice was served during the protracted period of trying to cost and get approval, citing the same issues I'd picked up so any solution has to satisfy them too. After lengthy meetings (& am interrogation!) they agreed with the alternate solution with one exception - the basement ceiling had to be 60 minutes. Considering the savings on the other floors and the fact a notice compliance clock was ticking the client and myself agreed. The FR Assessor is correct following the traditional benchmarks. BC shouldn't be suggesting non standard solutions but determining if they will accept the ones suggested by the architect (or in reality their fire engineers) as any alternate solution needs to detail why it's acceptable in a fire strategy (or at least FR assessment) so during the life of the building the methodology is understood and maintained. Also once BC have passed it then it's no longer their problem and becomes a fire service enforcement issue - if a few years down the line an audit picks up the differences, finds them too high a risk they will want the mitigation as to why it's OK - and saying BC passed it holds far less water than it used to due to the amount of things passed that actually don't comply for various reasons. You don't want to underdrawn the basement ceiling again if you can avoid it, therefore you need to have something that will explain why & how the non benchmark solution is acceptable not just for Building Regulations purposes but for Fire Safety Order ones as well - if you can get that you should be fine for both the immediacy of BC purposes but long term as well. If it's a smaller old building then it may well have had lesser standards in place for a long time as it won't have needed a fire certificate and whilst there were still requirements to be met and the guidance book was broadly the same in benchmarks to the one for certification these premises were rarely if ever inspected.