Tom Sutton

All I know is that the door in question needs to be a FD30s fire door fitted with an approved self closer, the SAP requirements is outside my area of expertise. If this is what is required then I would surf the web looking for an appropriate door. They are available, have a word with https://www.directdoors.com/products/external-fire-doors-30-minute-rated

Not possissible upgraded doors cannot be certified they are classed as nominal fire doors but the person carrying out the work could provide a guarantee that the doors had been upgraded by a recognised method which could be acceptable by inspecting officers. Certified fire doors are done at the manufacturing stage, by a testing house, testing three to the appropriate standard and if they pass, all fire doors manufactured to that specification are certified to that standard.

The role of the staff is to assist in the evacuation and if they leave the building as part of the evacuation, then it is very unlikely they will be stopped by the FRS if they re- enter the building. In your situation you will arrive at the entrance long before the FRS so it is unlikely you will be stopped, but I do agree there is a need to produce guidance as part of the evacuation procedure to ensure everyone understands what to do?

If it is in a FR wall it should be fitted with a FR shutters to maintain the compartmentation. Check out Download RC16B Recommendations for fire safety in Commercial Kitchens .

I doesn't say where the hinges should located but you have to achieve note 3. Check out Approved Document B (fire safety) volume 1: Dwellinghouses page 17 section 2.8.

I have never done it myself but safelincs has a video which may help https://www.safelincs.co.uk/fire-door-seals-surface-mounted-intumescent-fire-and-smoke-seal-kit-product-1/ how to fix surface mount Intumescent strips. I personally would prefer the Rebated Fire Door Seals fixed in the frames or fixed in the leaf of the door as a second choice but it appears that all pass the necessary standards.

Under which legislation or guidance is this being applied, if it is a legal requirement the they should be able to tell you.

You said "We would also ensure all doors open out and we'll keep the lobby a sterile area" also is the corridor a protected route, if not, then I am not sure if you can achieve the travel distances. This is the the problem trying to give sound advice without the full details and ideally being on site.

Thanks AB for watching my back, I was referring to fire doors but failed to consider that the doors that was being discussed were they required to be fire doors. I think this is a lesson to us all, treat the internet with lots of caution. To answer questions, in most cases you need a lot of information that quite often is not there and you have to assume which can result in poor answers which are far from definitive. I think you should fully research and get your information from various sources and make up your own mind. Bumper8 you put the mockers on me with your comments or was that meant to be sarcastic. ?

Providing the double door and screen, meet an 30 minute fire resisting standard and the route through the doors next to it, marked fire exit, lead to a final exit door, then I would suggest you have an alternative MoE.

Firstly you need to know what type of fire alarms are required, check out HOUSING – FIRE SAFETY Guidance on fire safety provisions for certain types of existing housing to find out what grades are required.

No Prob.

I had the same problem some weeks ago and it worked for me.

Get them back they haven't solved the problem.

Check out https://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=AwrLIgnLxG5cJFUAtT5LBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZmVxM3N0BGNvbG8DaXIyBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=how+to+release+a+Ei134+smoke+alarm+from+its+base+plate&fr=yfp-t#id=3&vid=318097c7a1bb90bc010586c736b1fff3&action=view it may work.

As far as I am aware here is no dispensation given anywhere for such establishments, if fire doors are required then they must be fitted with self closers. A fire door that is not closed when a fire starts then it is not a fire door and will not perform its purpose.

It all depends on the type of fire alarm installed, if it is only a type M system then I do not see many problems, if it is a type P system, then that is up to the owners or insurance to provide alternative protection, if it is a type L system then you would need to know the full layout of the fire alarm to give a definitive answer.

No prob.

I think the answer is to speak to them and get their views on thier matter.

If the flats have no fire alarm you could consider cam action doors closer which is extremely efficient, allowing the closer to be set to provide reliable closing power for fire door applications yet still be easy to open.

You only require to update if there has been a material alteration that has made the means of escape worse.

Why? but if you do need an alternative fire escape route, escape through the garage could be acceptable, but the two routes would have to be separated by a minimum 30 mins fire resistance.

There is a few libraries throughout the country that give free access to BSI online, but it must be viewed in the library premises. Most universities give free access to their students and you can take out BSI membership, at a cost, and get standards half price. Other than that it's an expensive game.

In the 60/70s the only door I remember had cold smoke seals was, smoke stop across corridor doors, used to divide up long protected corridors, into 60 feet maximum length.

The regulations are concerned with the upholstery not the frame and although the frame may be pre 1950 the upholstery is not. If it was reupholstered in the late 80s early 90s then the who ever upholstered it is subject to the regulations and should have attached the appropriate labels to comply with the regulations. Consequently if it carries the appropriate labels no problem, if not, you could have problems if you try to sell it, and I think you would be outside the law.