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The question was first asked 7 years ago, those that asked, and those that have since asked no longer post so if anyone did find a key, we will never know. 🙁

If that is a final exit to the outside then there is every likelihood it doesn't need to be a fire resisting door so you can simply fill the holes with whatever you want to prevent draughts.

No it isn't - an external entrance door does not need to be a fire door unless onto an external escape stair or a balcony with escape in only one direction.

https://www.flameguardbedding.co.uk/Fire-Retardant-Pyjama-Sets-Extre--1 All sorts of special dressing gowns, nightwear, etc can be found if you search

ADB C12 The following fire doorsets are not required to comply with paragraph C11. a. Doors to and within flats and dwellinghouses. b. Bedroom doors in ‘residential (other)’ (purpose group 2(b)) premises. c. Lift entrance/landing doors.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67d17064a005e6f9841a1d50/Approved_Document_B_volume_2_Buildings_other_than_Dwellings_2019_edition_incorporating_2020_2022_and_2025_amendments_collated_with_2026_and_2029_amendments.pdf Appendix C Fire Doorsets C11: Fire Door Signs. Complying with BS 5499-5. All fire doorsets should be marked on both sides, except fire doorsets to cupboards and service ducts, which should be marked on the outside. https://www.firecode.org.uk/Code_of_Practice_hardware_for_fire_and_escape_doors_issue_5.pdf Fire Safety Signs page 104 to 112.

Is there any products on the market that would assist a supported living resident with heavy smoking. I’m aware of smoking aprons but any other suggestions would be appreciated and welcome.

Hi i also need a Q key, did anyone find out where to get one? thanks

Is this acceptable? I always thought that fire door keep shut/closed signage should be visible on both sides of the door leaf. This was the only signage on the fire door on the leading edge of the door. unfortunately it will not let me upload an image.

Hi, Apologies if this isn't posted in the correct place. I am currently selling my flat. It is a one bedroom ground floor in an old converted building with it's own entrance. My buyers solicitor is telling my solicitor I need to agree to install "an FD30S and provided with intumescent strips, cold smoke seals and a self-closing device, mounted on three fire rated BS 1935 hinges". My query is that my flat door does not connect to any common areas. It goes directly to the outside on the ground floor. There are no other flat entrance doors near mine. Is it a legal requirement to have my door changed before I can sell the property or not? I don't really want to spend a load of money I don't have to unless it's absolutely legally required. If it is then fair enough but none of the other flat doors with their own entrance have this. Just the common areas have proper fire doors from the hallways for the flats within the main block.

Hi, It's my first post there so hi everyone! I'm wondering if this door is repairable or needs replacing due to the holes in the door behind the push pad? https://ibb.co/S4v3fSbr https://ibb.co/DDNwq4t7 Otherwise the door is in good condition. Thank you Rob

All I can find free are: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6243119ce90e075f1088f5c1/ps-11-fire-safety-march-2022.pdf https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2018/9780111164631/pdfs/ukdsi_9780111164631_en.pdf So it looks like having to pay for it - if it's like the other ones for special sectors like BB100 for fire safety design in schools in it's depth and specific content it should be worth it if doing prisons work (have you tried asking the establishment you are working at for a copy?)

You could search for a local fire door inspector at https://afdi.org.uk/category/find-a-fire-door-inspector/ and https://fdis.co.uk/approved-fdis-inspector/

It would very likely be possible to upgrade the fire resistance and smoke spread restriction of your flat entrance door but the term FD30(s) can only refer to either a door with product certification (which yours probably doesn't have) or a door that has been inspected/assessed by a suitably competent person as a Notional FD30(s) or Nominal FD30(s) door. Before you decide on any action, it would be worth consulting the UK Gov guidance whilst considering the location of the door in the block, fire evacuation strategy and potential risk from fire to the occupier(s) of the flat and other residents at the block. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/making-your-small-block-of-flats-safe-from-fire/a-guide-to-making-your-small-block-of-flats-safe-from-fire-accessible and https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-in-purpose-built-blocks-of-flats

Fire doors have been installed in the block where I live plus an extremely heavy entrance door, which for senior citizens presents problems, sprained wrists and or arms and even backs. The directors maintain nothing can be done. Who can I consult on this matter, someone who would actually visit the property to inspect? Ms G J.

Hello! I've inherited a door in a flat that I bought in mid 00's, which was a rental property. I'm now looking at renting it out again to 4 sharers, and checking regs. I've only changed the locks since bought (no other mods) and assume it was compliant at the time of buying it from the previous owner (it's an ex-council, 1930-50 constructed, single storey flat in a low-rise council-owned building) is very solid...perhaps oak (seems to be at least 30 years old - maybe older) has 2 x very solid looking gravity hinges, which are sort of self-closing (but don't close from 15º) has no seals has a viewinghole has a standard letterbox + knocker that looks aluminium has a couple of ringers (that now don't work, but don't want to remove/alter the door further) has what seems to be a formerly-glazed panel, but now replaced with what could be fairly thin plywood and painted on both sides. Is there a suitable way to make this FD30S compliant without wasting a very solid and long-lasting door/hinges? I envisage: potentially adding a hidden-frame/chain...or overhead door-closer intumescent smoke/fire strips intumescent threshold strips intumescent steel letterbox intumescent sheets retrofitted around latches/locks, and hinges potentially get new viewing hole with intumescent sheet in surround potentially get a custom pyroglass panel fitted with intumescent seals/beading/tape/fixtures Does this make sense? Is it worth it? Or do I send a very solid chunk of wood to landfill that has been doing a solid job for at least 30 years (and possibly longer!)

In a retirement complex with 67 flats we have recently had a fire alarm system upgrade. We have had a new fire panel, removed fire bells from flats as the fire risk assessment said as we are a stay put site we shouldn't have them and replaced the bells in the corridors with sounders. Existing cabling was used. Where the bells have been removed from the flats the remaining cable has been joined using plastic choc blocks. These are (mostly) inside the existing round metal conduit junction box but without a lid. This is fixed to the wall and the plaster board is dabbed onto the wall leaving a gap between. Then on the flat side (apartment side) of the plaster board a metal plate has been fitted using the fixing holes of the original junction box. This results in a gap between this plate and the upper edge of the junction box. The installer says this is still classed as an enclosed metal box as fire cannot get in. Is it? Is it a fire proof situation? Is the system compliant? We have a modifications certificate.

i have a mid terraced house with a middle bedroom that has a window situated above a glass roof. i need an escape route. The bedroom door opens onto an open landing leading to open stairs, so i guess that is not an option. i have been advised that an escape ladder onto the glass roof is also not an option as the glass is not fire glass. The research that i have done offers limited solutions, as follows: 1. Create a fire resistant hatch into an adjoining bedroom. So go through the hatch and escape from other bedroom via window to front of the house 2. Replace the glass with fire glass (not easy to do, not practical, and likely to be expensive) 3. Build a platform above the glass and below the bedroom window onto which the escapee could stand without standing directly on the glass roof. Any help or advice would be greatfully received to resolve this matter Many thanks

Hi- I appear to have come across a classic bit of poor interdepartmental referencing and archiving. Approved Document B Volume 2 states: "Prisons provided under section 33 of the Prisons Act 1952 0.15 Prisons are exempted from the functional requirements of Parts B1 to B5 of the Building Regulations under section 33 of the Prisons Act 1952. It is usual that prisons should comply with the fire safety requirements of the Building Regulations, except where the requirements are incompatible with safe custody, good order or security. HM Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS) provides guidance documents on fire precautions in prisons, which take account of the public safety need to secure doors and exits while maintaining life safety objectives. The HMPPS Custodial Premises Fire Safety Design Guide (FSDG) is the design standard for fire safety in prisons, providing structured guidance for those involved in the planning, designing or approval of new or altered buildings. Further guidance documents on fire safety in prisons are provided by HMPPS. These documents may also be used for other places of lawful detention." This appears to be as a result of a tidy-up of responsibilities between the Home Office and Ministry of Justice. Unfortunately, all hyperlinks simply go to to the HM Prison and Probation Service home page, and if I we search for it the only returns are the paragraph above in ADB2 or a paywall to Construction Information Service (UK). Before I risk giving my details to the salespeople at CIS, can anyone let me know if 'HMPPS Custodial Premises Fire Safety Design Guide': Exists in a usable format (i.e. was actually drafted and published rather just an 'commitment to publish' that didn't survive reshuffles) Is current and official/ has not been superseded; and Is accessible (and if so, where) I've had bad experiences with paying for services and just getting a summary or abstract before, and the British Library and National Archives show no record of publication. Is ADB2 referring to a document that was never published?

Great, thank you for the advice as always AnthonyB! 🙂

For anyone reading this, it is never a good idea to reply to an old post (On any forum) because as shown here, the question was asked over a year ago and the OP (Peter G) has never been back so will never reply to you. It is always best to start a new thread and pose your own question.

First Tier Tribunal - challenge the necessity for the door being changed - most flat fire door replacements are not required to meet the functional requirements of the law and the guidance (which has special status such that if you follow it you tend to be deemed compliant if someone alleges there is an issue) However you need to establish that the current doorset meets the requirements applicable to the block - the minimum standard being based on age, layout & height of the block. This note reinforces that wholesale replacement is often not required - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-england-regulations-2022-fire-door-guidance/fire-safety-england-regulations-2022-fire-door-guidance

It's not quite a BS7273-4 device, but it's probably the nearest guidance - this would equate to weekly rotational testing, servicing in accordance with manufacturers instructions = basically it's risk assessment based

My Nan has lived in her flat for 27 years, while a council Tennant permission was requested and gained to replace her front door about 20 years ago, about 2 years ago we bought the property from the council, they have sent someone to measure up the front door and are going to replace it with a heavier more fire resistant door, we were unaware this was going to happen, they say a new door will soon be fitted. Can they recharge us for this door, they have not given us the opportunity to get the door replaced ourselves even though it’s our own door they are removing and replacing. And if they do re charge us it really worries me what they will charge us, they have a reputation for charging leaseholders top price for everything. what is anything can we do to prevent exhaustion by them. many thanks sean

Hi Please can we ask someone for their advice... We have a fire service access control mechanism (drop-key) fitted to the gate of a school we look after. Does anyone know how often they should be tested by the school and serviced by an engineer? Also, does anyone know the correct British Standard for these devices (we were told it was BS7273-4)?