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For anyone reading this, it is never a good idea to reply to an old post (On any forum) because as shown here, the question was asked over a year ago and the OP (Peter G) has never been back so will never reply to you. It is always best to start a new thread and pose your own question.

First Tier Tribunal - challenge the necessity for the door being changed - most flat fire door replacements are not required to meet the functional requirements of the law and the guidance (which has special status such that if you follow it you tend to be deemed compliant if someone alleges there is an issue) However you need to establish that the current doorset meets the requirements applicable to the block - the minimum standard being based on age, layout & height of the block. This note reinforces that wholesale replacement is often not required - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-england-regulations-2022-fire-door-guidance/fire-safety-england-regulations-2022-fire-door-guidance

It's not quite a BS7273-4 device, but it's probably the nearest guidance - this would equate to weekly rotational testing, servicing in accordance with manufacturers instructions = basically it's risk assessment based

My Nan has lived in her flat for 27 years, while a council Tennant permission was requested and gained to replace her front door about 20 years ago, about 2 years ago we bought the property from the council, they have sent someone to measure up the front door and are going to replace it with a heavier more fire resistant door, we were unaware this was going to happen, they say a new door will soon be fitted. Can they recharge us for this door, they have not given us the opportunity to get the door replaced ourselves even though it’s our own door they are removing and replacing. And if they do re charge us it really worries me what they will charge us, they have a reputation for charging leaseholders top price for everything. what is anything can we do to prevent exhaustion by them. many thanks sean

Hi Please can we ask someone for their advice... We have a fire service access control mechanism (drop-key) fitted to the gate of a school we look after. Does anyone know how often they should be tested by the school and serviced by an engineer? Also, does anyone know the correct British Standard for these devices (we were told it was BS7273-4)?

Hello I'm just wondering if you resolved this.. We're having a similar issue with our house and have hit an impasse.

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Yes, for the external walls and due to the hallway. Not many requirements would be expected to come off the back of it though.

Hi, I own the freehold to a 3 storey house converted into 3 flats. The lower flat has a separate entrance. The upper 2 flats share a front door and hallway but no shared stairwell - does this property require a Fire Risk Assessment? Thanks

There are no common interior areas. Thank you very much for your reply.

Does it matter what size vision panels are on corridor/ stairwell doors or is there a regulation that states they need to be a certain size?

It may be at a lower than usual height for wheelchair users (even though I'm guessing there aren't any!) Their safeguarding & fire risk assessments need to match up to provide a suitable balance between placement for escape and placement to avoid children escaping.

Are there internal common areas for the flats? If not then a building owner FRA would be of the exterior of the building primarily. Where there are internal common areas as a minimum a sample of flats would need access to their hallways to inspect the front fire door properly from both sides and to check if any common fire alarm system devices are present. If the tenant is still in occupancy through & after the works then it is for them to review their FRA not you - it is up to them whether they do this in house or via an external accredited person.

Hi all, I have fitted a rubber fin intumescent strip (10x4mm) to a communal fire door. The strip has been rebated into a 10x4mm groove and sits flush. When I try to close the door the rubber fin stops the door from closing. Am I ok to rebate 1mm more? as I feel this would allow the door to close and the fin to make contact all the way down the frame. thank you for any help you can offer. Rob

Hello, I have a situation similar to Ron above but with less flats. With regards to a FRA for the building itself, would this mean that the assesor would need to go into each individual flat or just the outside of each flat and outside of the shop? Each property has their own external escape route and no communal interior shared space, just exterior. I am about to start minor structural building work to the shop. The shop is rented out. Would it be my responsibility to do a FRA after the work has finished or the tenant? So far the tenant has done their own FRA. Would that be acceptable or would it need a new FRA by a professional assessor? Thank you.

As the law is risk based to achieve functional standards and is not a prescriptive list of specific individual requirements for every aspect of Health & Safety if there is no risk of entrapment your H&S risk assessment might accept it - speak to your H&S person to see if your HSRA can accept this

Report it to Trading Standards, it must have the permanent label if sold for domestic use.

If you follow the longstanding and current guidance for existing blocks, then FD30 doors and glazing fire protected unless the bottom sill is 1100mm high or greater.

my grandson s nursery has a button to exit on the outside door, of course he can reach this and many parents let their children push it, i do not!!! is this an appropriate place for a push to exit button where children can reach it. I work in a school where the push to exit button is at adult height

Yes, the warning signs. However, the only regulation I found (eventually) seems to state they are required if the opening is used as a route you go through. This is just a serving hatch and you would need to be rather determined to be able to climb through it!

New build attached garage has a pitched roof with eaves meeting the flat roof of the adjacent kitchen. The eaves from the garage side are lined ned with fireline board and extended up to cover the osb decking (extended up the eaves as standard detail). Is there any other requirements to comply with part B? Also the end of the garage pitched roof turns towards the house formerly ng a gable which has been fully lined in fireline board. The roof is covered by marley moderns on battens. Can the space between the battens be filled with rockwool over the dividing wall?

Hi, I have just paid £1200 in cash for a bespoke leather chair. Apart from other issues with the chair my main concern is that it was supplied without any fire safety label. This is from a Lancashire company. All work done in house.

What’s everyone’s thoughts? 4 storey block of flats, one escape stairs, all flat entrance doors open onto an external open walkway, all doors and windows are uVPC, walkway width is 1.2 meters should all doors be FD 30 fire doors and glazing FR30?

The FRA says nothing. There are no warning panels on either side of the shutter, which has never been highlighted before. Physical access to the opening is limited, the only part of the body that will come close to it is the hands and they tend to be half a food tray away from the point the shutter would close on.

I assume they mean an illuminating sign and siren to warn of 'fire shutter closing' often included in modern purpose built kits, sometimes missing from older set ups or those assembled using standard shutter parts. The requirement for warnings may be in the powered shutter standard BS EN 13241-1:2003 (I don't have a copy) plus some form of warning would be likely under The Health and Safety (Safety Signs and Signals) Regulations 1996 Just because it wasn't mentioned before doesn't mean it shouldn't have been!